“Ever since I know, my family, they’ve always owned horses. My […] great-grandfather, my grandmother’s dad, he has horse medicine – so they call it horse medicine – and […] in his picture, he has a horse head. It’s just like this – and […] the horse’s ears are just on top. Yeah, he cut the whole top of the horse, and he made a bonnet with it. So that was his. And then his necklace was a horse, probably from rawhide, but it was all painted and it had ribbons and all kinds of stuff on it. […] And then I started making those rawhide horses, but it’s not the real thing.”

Speaking of horse medicine, which is a kind of spiritual power: “I know they get their medicine from visions, or sometimes it’s given to them. A lot of them come from dreams, and it’s given to them. So, I don’t know where he got the horse medicine, but he had it.”

Speaking on the decoration: “I just put little beads on there, because anything that [I] do or make, I always have beads on there, some place.”

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